I agree. If those imbeciles from project 25 think they will have the same rapport with Vence, they are in for a rude awakening. The guy is a door knob and that is not fair to door knobs...
Nothing to watch out for. He is a clown. There is no replicating Trump's disgusting appeal--no more reality tv like The Apprentice that can successfully brainwash a large portion of the population into worshiping Vance like they did Trump. Trump is a unique kind of monster and the lab which birthed him no longer exists.
The Christian Nationalists don't need votes if elections are controlled or canceled. Trump has almost outlived his usefulness to the people pulling his strings.
It would be a fatal error to suppose that replacement would imply any progressive content. It is imperative to look past the baseness and very limited intelligence of Donald Trump and recognize that for his flaws [which are neither few nor light] he is the mind and will of a ruling class that is at its end, and can no longer govern without fascism.
Vance is the nexus of the Christian Nationalists and the techno-fascists. Trump's role was the burn it all down, Vance will be the one to enable the next steps in their plan -- which is well laid out.
Vance is a hard core evangelical. He is Project 2025 personified. The Christofascists no longer need their Trump Populist Puppet, they own the Supreme Court and the machinery of the US government. Trump will soon go away, in 1 way or another. Add in an almost total lack of situational awareness on the part of Schumer and other Dem leaders and all that is left is for state GOP to deliver mid-term and '28 election "victories", and democracy in the US is a smoking crater.
This exactly! I've been saying this all along. Trump brought the win. We could very feasibly have President Vance for three excruciating years. He will do more damage than any of us can fathom.
They will find Vance infinitely more manageable. Trump served his purpose by getting elected and giving them time to prevent or precook future elections.
Like my friend says: casino and cosplay. I was late to the Thiel / Vance connection but finally figured it out. Musk, Thiel & Sachs were all Paypal as well. Perfect to set up a stable-coin that’s even more lethal to our freedom than a CBDC
Vance might be a hard sell, but that only matters in an honest election situation. Firstly, there might not be any more elections, and secondly, if there is an election, it’ll be precooked.
Because the then newly formed German Weimar Republic clearly didn’t believe that.
Why have Luxembourg or her fellow socialist leader, Karl Liebknecht, executed in the Tiergarten park area, near the Landwehr Canal, for a dead ideology with no revolutionary potential?
This isn’t about personal flaws [evil] or traits [charisma]. This is about a global, capitalist system, and the objective contradictions inherent in the interests of competing social classes in times of crisis.
A complete replacement of all public figures would change nothing so long as the SYSTEM is also replaced.
The specific MAGA cult will go tits-up when Donny does. It won't be an instant cure, but it will be a good thing. The problem, though, is the system that allowed him to get this powerful. It (capitalism) is a death cult itself.
I don’t know a thing about titz; but I get the disgust with the despicable figure vomited up from the criminal underworld.
Keep in mind, Kelly, that Trump is a symptom; the actual cause of these perpetual crises have been at work for as long as our now fallen Republic itself.
The premise that Trump ‘IS [your emphasis] the issue’ contextualizes all that is happening around us — NOT as a system in ongoing collapse under the enormity of its own sclerotic corruption, but as the failings of one man.
There is no gracious way to put this, Lance; that is a confession of political illiteracy.
I recommend reconsidering ‘change the man’ thesis at a time when the global proletariat is uniting to change the global system.
Agreed. At this point I just want him gone for the sheer personal loathing I have for him. Nothing will be "fixed" by his demise; his cult will fall apart but they'll still be out there and will still be just as foul and hateful.
This however is when the resistance steps in for good. The Magats will not follow Vance and other than a few issues have not gotten behind Project 2025. The real patriots, we the people , will not stand for their weak, cruel, backward policies.
I concur that a nation with two revolutions will not willingly accept defeat by Tyranny’s totalitarian machinations.
But neither will ‘the’ [the definite article matters hugely here] resistance simply happen [in some Pollyannaish way], and it would be disastrous to think otherwise.
Unless I am much mistaken, we are going yo enter social struggle such as does not exist in living memory.
My guess is that this will happen sooner, not later.
Absolutely right...this is why I have been encouraging people to gather community around them, discuss plans of action, become a part of an activist group, find or start a mutual aid. We will need each other more than ever with what is coming. Plan for it.
I hate that all of this has essentially made me "feel" like a conspiracy theorist, but also here we are lol. Pretty sure it's not a conspiracy, and if much rather be safe than sorry.
Of course I’ve seen them. Our people have been analyzing and reporting on political developments for decades. We have made endless warnings about the very conditions now unfolding before your eyes.
I have said that we are approaching massive struggles. And I meant it.
What you now see is only the very beginning of this process. As it developed, expect tens to scores of— even hundreds of millions to take to the streets. Expect general strikes. Expect these to be converted to political strikes — by the regime itself.
Nah. People said this about DeSantis too. Vance is another DeSantis in that he appears more intelligent than Dotard (talk about damning with faint praise) and is younger, but again, he does not command a cult. Even the MAGAts think he's a joke. No, there's not even a fake aura of command like was given to Dotard on The Apprentice. Once Dotard falls, the cult falls too.
Yes, but it seems MGT, Boebert already have their knives out for tRump. If they can show he is weakening, then all that sweet, sweet Epstein blackmail money will start flowing to Vance, and charisma won't matter.
I don't think they need dump at this point. BJ is just a doorknob but that's all they need at this point. Seems like dump is a distraction with his baggage and excessive greed and constant grifting. If Johnson get VP position the two will go along with any game plan. I'm ok with dump being out of the picture but we need to prepare for phase 2.
They are not selling him to anyone. He is the compliant recipient who will (and is) delivering what Thiel and his ilk require. The lower 50% of us can go die somewhere as we are of no consequence to them.
You're joking, right? Kelly said it best. Like the Pyrite Pedophile who didn't have the Midas Touch to begin with Ketamine Leon is a narcissistic psychopath that's only in it for himself. Everyone is a Chess piece to him and most people see that now. He has only slightly more charisma than Couchy which doesn't mean much when he has friends like Paul Palantir Thiel.
My sense is if he's not team Tramp, he's on the side of good. I think a Vance/tech/Catholicism presidency will be an improvement over the current chaos. A new cabinet is job #1.
You are absolutely delusional. Vance is like the devil incarnate. Vance will be 100 times worse. To be clear the United States is not a Christian nationalist country fuck that shit.
Safer to say we weren't intended to become a CN country. Reality may suck but it's like... uh ... real. Delusion lives in denial. Basically about 300 legislators, traitors all, have allowed all of this to happen. Focus, man.
‘Never said Vance was. I'm well aware of who sleeps with whom in these times. I maintain that the dark enlightenment group will be better for day to day life than Tramp's chaos.
Are you kidding me? I think 95% of Americans support feeding the poor and healing the sick. But we’re not feeding the poor Americans or healing the Americans and especially we’re not taking care of our veterans. We cannot have an open border where criminals are coming in Raping and killing and pillaging and bringing fentanyl across. Our border needs to be secured and we need to vet everyone who comes in. And people who come in need to work. A hand up, not a handout.
Does that mean we should allow the lesser rates of crime? NO. Let’s work on education, truth, honesty, most of which is severely missing in America. Let’s teach our kids respect.
We have seen quite a bit of fentanyl coming over the border into California, which has led to deaths (including, and this is heartbreaking, infant deaths from their parents’ use of fentanyl), but I haven’t heard of specific cases, much less a large number, of rapists, murderers (except from fentanyl), or pillagers coming into California. I assume they’re not coming from Canada, especially these days.
I suppose you thought this was very clever and groundbreaking. It isn't. Borders are a manmade invention and this is Indigenous land anyway. Stop playing into the hands of the billionaires by parroting this garbage.
The current president, who a majority of the country voted for, just destroyed 500 tons of emergency food. But we didn’t vote for him to do that! Yet we knew what he was like, which is why I didn’t vote for him.
Actually, about 1/3 of voters went for Trump, assuming that number isn't inflated by dodgy counting in swing states. The other 2/3 voted Harris or stayed home. Hardly a majority vote.
Unless I’m mistaken, Christ wasn’t claiming expertise in earthly governance. His area of focus was on individual behavior as it comported with God’s expectations.
well individual behavior by millions of God-fearing people of all stripes, Christians among them, knowingly voted for a full gaggle of Congress-people hell-bent on doing a poorer job of taking care of our vets, healing the sick and feeding the poor. So that system has gone awry.
I often have to remind folks that Christ charged each of us with the obligation for PERSONAL charity, an obligation that is not discharged by voting for higher taxes on our neighbors to fund what He charged US individually with doing ourselves. I’m not blind to the need for large scale care in certain specialized areas, but often these are an entrée for those who wish to offload the burden of sacrificing time and labor for their fellow man.
Just a small biblical remark. I know of no realistic comments on good government in our current situation, only choices between the least bad selections out there.
If I remember correctly he was offered the job, more than once. He turned it down. Basically He said ‘you all see to it. You want me to be king because you ate the bread, not because you want justice.’
I think Gavin Newsom would do a good job (I’ve lived in California since ‘89), but he is too left wing for people who damage themselves rather than help someone who isn’t straight and white. He was responsible for starting legal gay marriage, after all.
Newsom didn't start legal gay marriage. Massachusetts Supreme court case paved the way & the 1st was in May of 2004. CA didn't issue it's 1st same sex marriage license until 2008. Don't give Newsom credit he is not due. He's only an ally to parts of the LGBTQ+ community.
As a queer person I do NOT support Newsom for President. Maybe he can help teach other Dems social media campaigning, he's been doing ok at that lately.
I guess I don't think of marriages that that were invalidated & had to fight until 2008 in the courts on appeal to be recognized as the 1st. He did something with no authority & caused people to have to wait it out in the courts, causing a backlash that ended up removing the right entirely in the state for a period of time.
Who the fuck do you think you are, Ray? Sitting on your imaginary throne of mediocrity, trying to silence people who’ve had to fight just to be seen. Nobody asked for the universe to revolve around us, we’re just done watching it orbit your fragile little bubble. You don’t get to label justice as entitlement just because you’ve coasted through life unbothered. Get over yourself. Your era of dominance is done.
Gay marriage started in Massachusetts if I'm not mistaken. Newsom made a great contribution to the effort even though he didn't start it. While I like him as he is my governor as well there are better candidates than him - he's just made himself more visible.
I never thought I’d have the opportunity to use this quote from “The American President,” but here we are discussing airhead Gavin in the same breath as the Presidency:
Lewis: “They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.”
President Andrew Shepherd: “People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.”
Gavin Newsom would be an absolute nightmare for this country! And yes, Trump is getting up there in years. Something happened: it appears that he’s ill. The attack dogs are on him. But I support deporting illegal immigrants. I support people arriving to this country legally, and following the process, and learning English while they’re at it. I support jailing people who riot and destroy property in America. Do I like everything Trump doing? Well that’s kind of hard for me because I’m an organic farmer and “organic” isn’t in Trump‘s purview. But it’s in RFK Jr‘s purview. So give it time. I so very, very, very much hope and pray that you’re wrong.
You're a heinous person. Trump is a child rapist. And F property. People matter more. I support jailing and executing child rapists/traffickers, not protestors.
Careful, buttercup! Your salacious statement constitutes defamation unless you have solid facts to back it up; not some feminist diatribes or internet rumors fostered by “all the girls”!
Come back when you have real evidence, not the rants of some fat, blue haired girl!
You support deporting vulnerable people but want us to take your ‘organic farmer’ values seriously? You don’t get to wrap cruelty in compost and call it patriotism. Your idea of justice is jailing protestors but turning a blind eye to an insurrection. You support RFK Jr.? Cool, so conspiracy theories and anti-science grifters are totally fine with you, as long as they say the word ‘organic.’ You’re not protecting America, you’re clinging to a version of it that only ever worked for people like you. Spare me the very, very, very desperate hope. This isn’t a prayer, it’s projection.
You pray that we’re wrong? We hope people like you start realizing that compassion isn’t weakness and cruelty isn’t policy. But hey, keep farming, just don’t pretend what you’re growing has anything to do with human decency.
The fact that you are using the same juvenile name for Gavin Newsome as your immature name-calling low IQ leader tells me exactly how you’d score on an IQ test. Name calling belongs in kindergarten.
Anyone hurling insults like an 11 year old gets an immediate block from me. I highly recommend this as a personal social media policy. Juvenile mudslinging is an indicator that dialogue with that person is futile.
Vance is the nexus of the Christian Nationalists and the techno-fascists. And all he has to do is come across as more sane than Trump, which is a pretty low bar.
Please not Gavin. That will just set the stage for the next Trump. Of course, Newscum would be a vast improvement vs Trumpstein/Prance, but we deserve better than a choice between shit and shit-lite.
I can't find my comment, but if you're replying to one of mine, then I find your reaction strange. I've haven't “both sides”’d anything in the last 10 years! I do acknowledge errors made by Dems and I stand by those criticisms, but I in no way think the magnitudes of the corruption are equivalent… not even close.
Snake? Please. If Gavin’s a snake, then your guy’s a bloated tick sucking the country dry. And the fact that you think prayer is a political strategy tells me everything I need to know about how you vote
Just a friendly reminder that we are not a Christian nationalist fascist country. Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and don’t come out next time
I sure do. I think Murdoch sees the writing on the wall. Trump is mentally and physically done. I don’t think there was an alliance between the Murdochs and tech bros before, yet I think they are now united.
I wholeheartedly agree! Time to start switching our focus from anti trump to anti Christian Nationalism. That is the group that Vance represents. The oligarchs don't care, but the new fanatics will be these folks!
Exactly. Miller has been pulling all the strings. I doubt he's a Russian asset though which is only a slight bonus like .00000000000000001 bonus at best.
Yeah bill I get it and I understand why you would say that but Vance has thiel and Opus Dei and both are more powerful and shit Ton richer than a Christian evangelical from Indiana.
A bevy of interests that have muddied the playing field. For those of us fighting in the rural midwest, we have been playing whack a mole with our neighbors. With the chaos of Trump perhaps coming to it's climax, then less, the large hammer needs to come out; because Vance will not be throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
He's going to be launching shit with far more accuracy because he's going to be controlled and he has more self-control. Launching it more accurately on the public is going to be much worse because he's not going to care if people protest.
A decidedly siloed and one-dimensional analysis. It says nothing about WHY the demographic voted the way they did. You probably don’t know this, not being a Christian yourself, but the large majority of so-called “Christian Nationalists” (whatever that means) were conservatives who would have voted for him regardless of the opposition. The Christian independents who allegedly put him over the top (assuming I agree with the assertion, which I don’t) were liberal Christians who probably would have nothing to do with “Christian Nationalists”. They were just normal people who were fed up with the immoral, over-the-top, completely-lacking-in-basic-common-sense wokeness that the Dems were selling.
Don’t blame Trump on Christians, sir. Blame him on the progressive idiots who managed to alienate enough normal people who couldn’t stomach the foolishness they were being asked to choke down. The staggering incompetence of Harris and the people who were stupid enough to make her their standard-bearer bear 100% of the responsibility for Trump 2.0.
Nope. Evidence showing that election was....manipulated. Staggering incompetence? The man won by 1.5% of the vote. Only a third of the potential electorate voted for him. Most liberal Christians in my county make up the majority of the small Democratic Party here. If people decided to vote for an adjudicated rapist with felonies, that is on them. Democrats remain horrible at messaging. Since you are so good at this, help the resistance with messaging!
Ah, so now that your girl lost, it's the Democrats who claim conspiratorial election fraud without any evidence. Funny how it's impossible when the other side claims it, but incontestable when your side claims it. Typical Democrat.
News flash: compared to "potential" voters, EVERY election winner has won with about a third of the vote.
You ARE correct in saying that Democrats are horrible on messaging. But that's inevitable when their message is idiotic, non-sensical, and counter to obvious realities. That's why you lost, plain and simple. Your own lifelong voters abandoned you. THAT is incredibly difficult to do, especially when the alternative is Donald Trump. An amazing accomplishment that you should be congratulated for.
No.. Trump plays the role, but isn’t really a practicing Christian. Vance, OTOH, is the real deal. White Christian Nationalism- bordering on Fascism. He is a true believer.
This plan has been years in the making, and the final step before implementation occurred when they installed Vance as VP. Vance does not command Trump’s base, however, and that is going to be a problem for them. He is a vessel, not of MAGA, but of the oligarchs. Things are about to get very interesting.
This is why they are waiting until implementation is far enough along to be irreversible. Queue massive ICE scale up, media destruction, administrative state dismantling. Once gone, they don't need Trump, nor do they need Vance to be popular. Trump could easily be taken out with the 25th. He is obviously not fit to be president. They need to wait until their idiot has outlived his usefulness then the coup will be executed at pace.
One can only hope. Mike Johnson has about as much charisma which helps our cause although he is a Christofascist which would help sway some of MAGA his way by say .000000001%
He won’t need to have rallies. Once the political coup happens, they are in charge, lock, stock and barrel. Then the people of democracy will have their takeover (J6) coup, or be silent in submission.
I think they get rid of Miller and sideline Ice and Tarrifs. They take the hit with MAGA and come off as more “reasonable”, pro-business Rs without the economic fallout of deporting immigrants and tarrifs. They get big business and former moderate Rs on their side while turbo-charging Project 25 and taking complete control.
Vance is a hard sell. Charisma dead. Timing is the key.
I agree. If those imbeciles from project 25 think they will have the same rapport with Vence, they are in for a rude awakening. The guy is a door knob and that is not fair to door knobs...
Vance is Project 2025’s guy! They want him in power!!!! Don’t fool yourself!!!! Watch out for Vance!!!!!
They knew exactly what they were doing when they installed him.
Nothing to watch out for. He is a clown. There is no replicating Trump's disgusting appeal--no more reality tv like The Apprentice that can successfully brainwash a large portion of the population into worshiping Vance like they did Trump. Trump is a unique kind of monster and the lab which birthed him no longer exists.
The Christian Nationalists don't need votes if elections are controlled or canceled. Trump has almost outlived his usefulness to the people pulling his strings.
It would be a fatal error to suppose that replacement would imply any progressive content. It is imperative to look past the baseness and very limited intelligence of Donald Trump and recognize that for his flaws [which are neither few nor light] he is the mind and will of a ruling class that is at its end, and can no longer govern without fascism.
Vance is the nexus of the Christian Nationalists and the techno-fascists. Trump's role was the burn it all down, Vance will be the one to enable the next steps in their plan -- which is well laid out.
https://brainsmatter.substack.com/p/jd-vance-is-the-nexus-of-christian?r=1tjpzi
He is a fucking idiot!
Vance is a hard core evangelical. He is Project 2025 personified. The Christofascists no longer need their Trump Populist Puppet, they own the Supreme Court and the machinery of the US government. Trump will soon go away, in 1 way or another. Add in an almost total lack of situational awareness on the part of Schumer and other Dem leaders and all that is left is for state GOP to deliver mid-term and '28 election "victories", and democracy in the US is a smoking crater.
This exactly! I've been saying this all along. Trump brought the win. We could very feasibly have President Vance for three excruciating years. He will do more damage than any of us can fathom.
They will find Vance infinitely more manageable. Trump served his purpose by getting elected and giving them time to prevent or precook future elections.
Like my friend says: casino and cosplay. I was late to the Thiel / Vance connection but finally figured it out. Musk, Thiel & Sachs were all Paypal as well. Perfect to set up a stable-coin that’s even more lethal to our freedom than a CBDC
Vance might be a hard sell, but that only matters in an honest election situation. Firstly, there might not be any more elections, and secondly, if there is an election, it’ll be precooked.
Moreover, as Rosa Luxembourg pointed out more than a century ago — if elections mattered, they would never be allowed.
That is hopelessly cynical and nihilistic.
Really?
Because the then newly formed German Weimar Republic clearly didn’t believe that.
Why have Luxembourg or her fellow socialist leader, Karl Liebknecht, executed in the Tiergarten park area, near the Landwehr Canal, for a dead ideology with no revolutionary potential?
Well, if a "coup" involves a tRump "disappearing", I'm all in.
Trump is hardly the issue, and if anything, his replacement would almost necessarily bring more focused attention and discipline to Project Coup.
Right. Whatever comes next will be MUCH worse.
Not surebabout that. His evil charisma is what got us into this mess...without him, the spell will be broken don't you think?
Trump’s reign has given them time to organise. There may not be any more elections, and if there are, the results may well be a foregone conclusion.
Greetings, Leonardo!
This isn’t about personal flaws [evil] or traits [charisma]. This is about a global, capitalist system, and the objective contradictions inherent in the interests of competing social classes in times of crisis.
A complete replacement of all public figures would change nothing so long as the SYSTEM is also replaced.
The specific MAGA cult will go tits-up when Donny does. It won't be an instant cure, but it will be a good thing. The problem, though, is the system that allowed him to get this powerful. It (capitalism) is a death cult itself.
I don’t know a thing about titz; but I get the disgust with the despicable figure vomited up from the criminal underworld.
Keep in mind, Kelly, that Trump is a symptom; the actual cause of these perpetual crises have been at work for as long as our now fallen Republic itself.
Take care and be well.
He IS the issue, as Hillbilly has nowhere the cult/rally power as tRump, even though each is a just frontmen for the techno-elite.
Greetings, Lance.
The premise that Trump ‘IS [your emphasis] the issue’ contextualizes all that is happening around us — NOT as a system in ongoing collapse under the enormity of its own sclerotic corruption, but as the failings of one man.
There is no gracious way to put this, Lance; that is a confession of political illiteracy.
I recommend reconsidering ‘change the man’ thesis at a time when the global proletariat is uniting to change the global system.
Why be left out?
Agreed. At this point I just want him gone for the sheer personal loathing I have for him. Nothing will be "fixed" by his demise; his cult will fall apart but they'll still be out there and will still be just as foul and hateful.
This however is when the resistance steps in for good. The Magats will not follow Vance and other than a few issues have not gotten behind Project 2025. The real patriots, we the people , will not stand for their weak, cruel, backward policies.
I concur that a nation with two revolutions will not willingly accept defeat by Tyranny’s totalitarian machinations.
But neither will ‘the’ [the definite article matters hugely here] resistance simply happen [in some Pollyannaish way], and it would be disastrous to think otherwise.
Unless I am much mistaken, we are going yo enter social struggle such as does not exist in living memory.
My guess is that this will happen sooner, not later.
Absolutely right...this is why I have been encouraging people to gather community around them, discuss plans of action, become a part of an activist group, find or start a mutual aid. We will need each other more than ever with what is coming. Plan for it.
I hate that all of this has essentially made me "feel" like a conspiracy theorist, but also here we are lol. Pretty sure it's not a conspiracy, and if much rather be safe than sorry.
Beth: I recommend reading the wsws.org daily, and connecting with or reaching out to begin a rank-and-fill committee in your sphere of influence.
OMG have you not seen the news? The ICE raids? The spirit that led to two revolutions looks to have been thoroughly bred out.
Dear Elizabeth:
Of course I’ve seen them. Our people have been analyzing and reporting on political developments for decades. We have made endless warnings about the very conditions now unfolding before your eyes.
I have said that we are approaching massive struggles. And I meant it.
What you now see is only the very beginning of this process. As it developed, expect tens to scores of— even hundreds of millions to take to the streets. Expect general strikes. Expect these to be converted to political strikes — by the regime itself.
https://open.substack.com/pub/gsz141/p/trump-administration-at-6-monthspast
Looks as if Trump has been able to do whatever he wants so far.
Nah. People said this about DeSantis too. Vance is another DeSantis in that he appears more intelligent than Dotard (talk about damning with faint praise) and is younger, but again, he does not command a cult. Even the MAGAts think he's a joke. No, there's not even a fake aura of command like was given to Dotard on The Apprentice. Once Dotard falls, the cult falls too.
Yes, but it seems MGT, Boebert already have their knives out for tRump. If they can show he is weakening, then all that sweet, sweet Epstein blackmail money will start flowing to Vance, and charisma won't matter.
Money is no substitute for a slavish, pathetically devoted cult.
I don't think they need dump at this point. BJ is just a doorknob but that's all they need at this point. Seems like dump is a distraction with his baggage and excessive greed and constant grifting. If Johnson get VP position the two will go along with any game plan. I'm ok with dump being out of the picture but we need to prepare for phase 2.
I totally agree. They need to tank Trump thoroughly first.
They need to find that guy who wrote the slimy pickup artist blog ‘Chateau Heartiste’ AKA Roissy in DC.
Perfect vessel for those unclean spirits seeking seven more wicked than themselves…
They are not selling him to anyone. He is the compliant recipient who will (and is) delivering what Thiel and his ilk require. The lower 50% of us can go die somewhere as we are of no consequence to them.
Is that part of some libtard haiku? Finish your story Hirohito.
That’s the end. Gavin Newsom in the wings. Vance, dead meat. .
Requires at minimum an election and that’s not guaranteed
A resignation for health is all it takes
No one would believe "Wants to spend more time with friends and family", anyway.
That is because everybody knows that Trump has no friends. Just enemies and broken chess pieces.
That is because everybody knows that Trump has no friends. Just enemies and broken chess pieces.
That is because everybody knows that Trump has no friends. Just enemies and broken chess pieces.
You can say that again.
Yeah but now we have Elon on our team.
No we don't lmao. He's an opportunist.
You're joking, right? Kelly said it best. Like the Pyrite Pedophile who didn't have the Midas Touch to begin with Ketamine Leon is a narcissistic psychopath that's only in it for himself. Everyone is a Chess piece to him and most people see that now. He has only slightly more charisma than Couchy which doesn't mean much when he has friends like Paul Palantir Thiel.
lol, he doesn’t team up with anyone
Do we really though?
Yeah, who can say?
Don't think for a minute Elon is on our team, or any team, other than team Elon
My sense is if he's not team Tramp, he's on the side of good. I think a Vance/tech/Catholicism presidency will be an improvement over the current chaos. A new cabinet is job #1.
You are absolutely delusional. Vance is like the devil incarnate. Vance will be 100 times worse. To be clear the United States is not a Christian nationalist country fuck that shit.
Safer to say we weren't intended to become a CN country. Reality may suck but it's like... uh ... real. Delusion lives in denial. Basically about 300 legislators, traitors all, have allowed all of this to happen. Focus, man.
Vance is not on the side of good. He was backed by Peter Thiel with deep ties to Opus Dei, a right wing faction of the Catholic Church.
‘Never said Vance was. I'm well aware of who sleeps with whom in these times. I maintain that the dark enlightenment group will be better for day to day life than Tramp's chaos.
A palace coup against the leader of the first coup? Probably. Trump Dumpty will have a great fall. His use to the oligarchs is almost
over.
this electorate would not elect jesus h. christ if JHC from California.
I suspect you’re right, since Jesus supports feeding the poor and healing the sick, which are not popular ideas right now.
….not even popular among millions who claim to follow the teachings of JC
No? Butchering babies is though, self righteous prigs
Feeding the poor, yes. Feeding sloth, no. Jesus wasn't fond of able-bodied bums.
Are you kidding me? I think 95% of Americans support feeding the poor and healing the sick. But we’re not feeding the poor Americans or healing the Americans and especially we’re not taking care of our veterans. We cannot have an open border where criminals are coming in Raping and killing and pillaging and bringing fentanyl across. Our border needs to be secured and we need to vet everyone who comes in. And people who come in need to work. A hand up, not a handout.
US citizens commit crimes at a higher rate than immigrants
and i regrettably question that 95% number when 95% of GOP just assured we as a country do a damn poorer job of healing the sick and feeding the poor.
add vets to that too.
Exactly right.
Does that mean we should allow the lesser rates of crime? NO. Let’s work on education, truth, honesty, most of which is severely missing in America. Let’s teach our kids respect.
Challenging with a psychopath/his sycophants currently in charge. Education would be lovely but made harder when Dept of Education is scuttled.
We have seen quite a bit of fentanyl coming over the border into California, which has led to deaths (including, and this is heartbreaking, infant deaths from their parents’ use of fentanyl), but I haven’t heard of specific cases, much less a large number, of rapists, murderers (except from fentanyl), or pillagers coming into California. I assume they’re not coming from Canada, especially these days.
I suppose you thought this was very clever and groundbreaking. It isn't. Borders are a manmade invention and this is Indigenous land anyway. Stop playing into the hands of the billionaires by parroting this garbage.
I was thinking along similar lines.
The current president, who a majority of the country voted for, just destroyed 500 tons of emergency food. But we didn’t vote for him to do that! Yet we knew what he was like, which is why I didn’t vote for him.
Actually, about 1/3 of voters went for Trump, assuming that number isn't inflated by dodgy counting in swing states. The other 2/3 voted Harris or stayed home. Hardly a majority vote.
Unless I’m mistaken, Christ wasn’t claiming expertise in earthly governance. His area of focus was on individual behavior as it comported with God’s expectations.
well individual behavior by millions of God-fearing people of all stripes, Christians among them, knowingly voted for a full gaggle of Congress-people hell-bent on doing a poorer job of taking care of our vets, healing the sick and feeding the poor. So that system has gone awry.
I often have to remind folks that Christ charged each of us with the obligation for PERSONAL charity, an obligation that is not discharged by voting for higher taxes on our neighbors to fund what He charged US individually with doing ourselves. I’m not blind to the need for large scale care in certain specialized areas, but often these are an entrée for those who wish to offload the burden of sacrificing time and labor for their fellow man.
some of us don’t believe jc charged us with anything; good guy, good carpenter; insightful person.
Render onto Caesar what is Caesar's.
Are you suggesting that was a divine treatise on good government?
Just a small biblical remark. I know of no realistic comments on good government in our current situation, only choices between the least bad selections out there.
Personally, I see it as the first mention of the separation of church and state.
If I remember correctly he was offered the job, more than once. He turned it down. Basically He said ‘you all see to it. You want me to be king because you ate the bread, not because you want justice.’
I think Gavin Newsom would do a good job (I’ve lived in California since ‘89), but he is too left wing for people who damage themselves rather than help someone who isn’t straight and white. He was responsible for starting legal gay marriage, after all.
Newsom didn't start legal gay marriage. Massachusetts Supreme court case paved the way & the 1st was in May of 2004. CA didn't issue it's 1st same sex marriage license until 2008. Don't give Newsom credit he is not due. He's only an ally to parts of the LGBTQ+ community.
As a queer person I do NOT support Newsom for President. Maybe he can help teach other Dems social media campaigning, he's been doing ok at that lately.
Gavin Newsom ordered San Francisco to allow same sex marriages on February 4, 2004, which is when the first same sex marriage happened in the US.
Still after Massachusetts Supreme Court decision.
Believe what you want, but May is after February.
I guess I don't think of marriages that that were invalidated & had to fight until 2008 in the courts on appeal to be recognized as the 1st. He did something with no authority & caused people to have to wait it out in the courts, causing a backlash that ended up removing the right entirely in the state for a period of time.
Easy Chowd
So why do you all think the universe has to revolve around you? That's the problem.
Who the fuck do you think you are, Ray? Sitting on your imaginary throne of mediocrity, trying to silence people who’ve had to fight just to be seen. Nobody asked for the universe to revolve around us, we’re just done watching it orbit your fragile little bubble. You don’t get to label justice as entitlement just because you’ve coasted through life unbothered. Get over yourself. Your era of dominance is done.
Gay marriage started in Massachusetts if I'm not mistaken. Newsom made a great contribution to the effort even though he didn't start it. While I like him as he is my governor as well there are better candidates than him - he's just made himself more visible.
I never thought I’d have the opportunity to use this quote from “The American President,” but here we are discussing airhead Gavin in the same breath as the Presidency:
Lewis: “They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.”
President Andrew Shepherd: “People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.”
God help us 🙏
That’s only true if you still believe that we actually have elections. Remember how long ago Mark Twain told us we don’t?
Gavin Newsom would be an absolute nightmare for this country! And yes, Trump is getting up there in years. Something happened: it appears that he’s ill. The attack dogs are on him. But I support deporting illegal immigrants. I support people arriving to this country legally, and following the process, and learning English while they’re at it. I support jailing people who riot and destroy property in America. Do I like everything Trump doing? Well that’s kind of hard for me because I’m an organic farmer and “organic” isn’t in Trump‘s purview. But it’s in RFK Jr‘s purview. So give it time. I so very, very, very much hope and pray that you’re wrong.
You're a heinous person. Trump is a child rapist. And F property. People matter more. I support jailing and executing child rapists/traffickers, not protestors.
Careful, buttercup! Your salacious statement constitutes defamation unless you have solid facts to back it up; not some feminist diatribes or internet rumors fostered by “all the girls”!
Come back when you have real evidence, not the rants of some fat, blue haired girl!
You support deporting vulnerable people but want us to take your ‘organic farmer’ values seriously? You don’t get to wrap cruelty in compost and call it patriotism. Your idea of justice is jailing protestors but turning a blind eye to an insurrection. You support RFK Jr.? Cool, so conspiracy theories and anti-science grifters are totally fine with you, as long as they say the word ‘organic.’ You’re not protecting America, you’re clinging to a version of it that only ever worked for people like you. Spare me the very, very, very desperate hope. This isn’t a prayer, it’s projection.
You pray that we’re wrong? We hope people like you start realizing that compassion isn’t weakness and cruelty isn’t policy. But hey, keep farming, just don’t pretend what you’re growing has anything to do with human decency.
Newscum? Gawd, you ARE delusional!😱😳🤣🤣
The fact that you are using the same juvenile name for Gavin Newsome as your immature name-calling low IQ leader tells me exactly how you’d score on an IQ test. Name calling belongs in kindergarten.
Anyone hurling insults like an 11 year old gets an immediate block from me. I highly recommend this as a personal social media policy. Juvenile mudslinging is an indicator that dialogue with that person is futile.
The dummy brags about his upcoming grad degree, yet his entire post history reads like a functionally illiterate swamp creature.
Vance is the nexus of the Christian Nationalists and the techno-fascists. And all he has to do is come across as more sane than Trump, which is a pretty low bar.
https://brainsmatter.substack.com/p/jd-vance-is-the-nexus-of-christian?r=1tjpzi
I would agree if not for the feeling that free and fair elections are a thing of the past.
Please not Gavin. That will just set the stage for the next Trump. Of course, Newscum would be a vast improvement vs Trumpstein/Prance, but we deserve better than a choice between shit and shit-lite.
I can't find my comment, but if you're replying to one of mine, then I find your reaction strange. I've haven't “both sides”’d anything in the last 10 years! I do acknowledge errors made by Dems and I stand by those criticisms, but I in no way think the magnitudes of the corruption are equivalent… not even close.
The sleazy snake Gavin hasn't a prayer
Snake? Please. If Gavin’s a snake, then your guy’s a bloated tick sucking the country dry. And the fact that you think prayer is a political strategy tells me everything I need to know about how you vote
Just a friendly reminder that we are not a Christian nationalist fascist country. Go back to whatever rock you crawled out from under and don’t come out next time
Governor Hairgel .. seriously ? .. wtf is wrong with you
I sure do. I think Murdoch sees the writing on the wall. Trump is mentally and physically done. I don’t think there was an alliance between the Murdochs and tech bros before, yet I think they are now united.
I agree. Death watch.
It’s the end game that awaits.
My thought. A rush to ruin.
He’s too vain to see that far. Or, he gives Vance a long vine to hang himself.
Trump is paranoid about him already.
He should be
I wholeheartedly agree! Time to start switching our focus from anti trump to anti Christian Nationalism. That is the group that Vance represents. The oligarchs don't care, but the new fanatics will be these folks!
Trump IS Christian Nationalism. Who do you think voted dude into office?!?
Just the vehicle they used - Vance is a better representation of who they want.
My point was: why weren’t you focused on Christian Nationalism all this time? Christo-fascism has ALWAYS been a component of Trumpism
Miller and thiel are doing all of it
Exactly. Miller has been pulling all the strings. I doubt he's a Russian asset though which is only a slight bonus like .00000000000000001 bonus at best.
Totally correct
Just like Pence was a better representation yet Pence had only slightly more charisma than Vance.
Yeah bill I get it and I understand why you would say that but Vance has thiel and Opus Dei and both are more powerful and shit Ton richer than a Christian evangelical from Indiana.
They own him
A bevy of interests that have muddied the playing field. For those of us fighting in the rural midwest, we have been playing whack a mole with our neighbors. With the chaos of Trump perhaps coming to it's climax, then less, the large hammer needs to come out; because Vance will not be throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
He's going to be launching shit with far more accuracy because he's going to be controlled and he has more self-control. Launching it more accurately on the public is going to be much worse because he's not going to care if people protest.
Actually, it was independents that voted him into office, Einstein.
Einstein would kick you off the island:
https://www.arizonachristian.edu/2024/11/14/decisive-christian-vote-carries-trump-to-historic-victory-post-election-research-shows/
A decidedly siloed and one-dimensional analysis. It says nothing about WHY the demographic voted the way they did. You probably don’t know this, not being a Christian yourself, but the large majority of so-called “Christian Nationalists” (whatever that means) were conservatives who would have voted for him regardless of the opposition. The Christian independents who allegedly put him over the top (assuming I agree with the assertion, which I don’t) were liberal Christians who probably would have nothing to do with “Christian Nationalists”. They were just normal people who were fed up with the immoral, over-the-top, completely-lacking-in-basic-common-sense wokeness that the Dems were selling.
Don’t blame Trump on Christians, sir. Blame him on the progressive idiots who managed to alienate enough normal people who couldn’t stomach the foolishness they were being asked to choke down. The staggering incompetence of Harris and the people who were stupid enough to make her their standard-bearer bear 100% of the responsibility for Trump 2.0.
Nope. Evidence showing that election was....manipulated. Staggering incompetence? The man won by 1.5% of the vote. Only a third of the potential electorate voted for him. Most liberal Christians in my county make up the majority of the small Democratic Party here. If people decided to vote for an adjudicated rapist with felonies, that is on them. Democrats remain horrible at messaging. Since you are so good at this, help the resistance with messaging!
Ah, so now that your girl lost, it's the Democrats who claim conspiratorial election fraud without any evidence. Funny how it's impossible when the other side claims it, but incontestable when your side claims it. Typical Democrat.
News flash: compared to "potential" voters, EVERY election winner has won with about a third of the vote.
You ARE correct in saying that Democrats are horrible on messaging. But that's inevitable when their message is idiotic, non-sensical, and counter to obvious realities. That's why you lost, plain and simple. Your own lifelong voters abandoned you. THAT is incredibly difficult to do, especially when the alternative is Donald Trump. An amazing accomplishment that you should be congratulated for.
'Christians' these days have very little in common with Christianity. Most stop reading at the end of the Old Testament.
Definitely not a Christian myself 🤗
Actuit was Musk!
No.. Trump plays the role, but isn’t really a practicing Christian. Vance, OTOH, is the real deal. White Christian Nationalism- bordering on Fascism. He is a true believer.
This plan has been years in the making, and the final step before implementation occurred when they installed Vance as VP. Vance does not command Trump’s base, however, and that is going to be a problem for them. He is a vessel, not of MAGA, but of the oligarchs. Things are about to get very interesting.
He’s Peter Thiel’s puppet….lover?
Take vance down with trump
And Mike the Johnson while we’re at it. These things take time, but if we did it right, we could have four presidents in a year.
That leaves us, according to the line of succession, 91 year old Grassley. God 🙏 help us
He's not getting any younger which may be a blessing.
Speaking of installed….how’s the Kamala watch thing going???
🤣
Agree totally. Vance has been the end game. Doubtful if MAGA gets behind him tho. But won’t matter if elections are not free and fair.
It can’t come soon enough. Vance is intelligent but negative charisma. In fact he is repugnant. He will flail and fail miserably.
It’s a good thing Vance has negative charisma. That factor might well slow the implementation of Project 2025.
This is why they are waiting until implementation is far enough along to be irreversible. Queue massive ICE scale up, media destruction, administrative state dismantling. Once gone, they don't need Trump, nor do they need Vance to be popular. Trump could easily be taken out with the 25th. He is obviously not fit to be president. They need to wait until their idiot has outlived his usefulness then the coup will be executed at pace.
I’m afraid your reasoning makes a lot of sense. I admit I was happier until I woke up and saw your point.
Agreed it has to be well timed. The base will collapse and by then they won't need them.
Facf
Exactly
He wasn't during his first term - he just put on "a good enough show.”
I like your positivism! Gives me reason to be OK with what I thought would be just another leg of the hell America is sinking into.
One can only hope. Mike Johnson has about as much charisma which helps our cause although he is a Christofascist which would help sway some of MAGA his way by say .000000001%
It’s implementation is going at breakneck speed already.
vance is a false person .
They were waiting for Trump to start asking Lincoln portrait about teen models.
Can’t see Vance commanding crowds of MAGA nitwits like Spanky. He has the appeal of a mashed potato sandwich with white bread.
Good point. Vance is the polished turd of the GOP and will be tough to debate but will the real hillbillies like him?
Probably not. A lot of Southerners totally disagreed with his takedown of Appalachians.
We recognize stolen squalor when we see it.
He won’t need to have rallies. Once the political coup happens, they are in charge, lock, stock and barrel. Then the people of democracy will have their takeover (J6) coup, or be silent in submission.
Not even that good.
All part of Thiel and CO’s master plan. Vance, Musk are all pieces he placed on the board. More moves to come and soon.
Was always the plan…
Day before story dropped
That’s the reality
Stephen Miller?
I think they get rid of Miller and sideline Ice and Tarrifs. They take the hit with MAGA and come off as more “reasonable”, pro-business Rs without the economic fallout of deporting immigrants and tarrifs. They get big business and former moderate Rs on their side while turbo-charging Project 25 and taking complete control.
I'm sure there is some kind of coup plot.